Grutter
Excellent work on Mosquito ringtone Archaeology Grutter, keep it up! Sabrina Martins Adamsan/adamsan 11:31, 26 Aug 2004
:Thanks very much! Nextel ringtones Grutter/GRutter 11:39, 26 Aug 2004
Republic of Choson
While it was a close vote there was no clear consensus to delete or to redirect. Note that I generally count a vote to merge and redirect as votes to keep as both desire the itself content to be kept. Personally I am not a great fan of that page, and if you were to relist it after it has spent a while on Cleanup I would happily delete it, if that was the consensus that emerged. - Abbey Diaz SimonP/SimonP 15:09, Sep 11, 2004
:Fair enough. Thank you for your speedy reply. Free ringtones Grutter/G Rutter 15:12, 11 Sep 2004
I done bad with Chess, better with Hooker
Thanks for the good work on the Majo Mills A Game at Chess article that I put up too hastily. I had sought more and better information but had not found it in time. I'm glad that others fixed it up some. Just a note, though, that I've put in a longish paragraph in the Mosquito ringtone Richard Hooker article on ''Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Politie,'' which is one of my favorite works. (Not that many folks have read it, unfortunately.) I look at it a bit differently from others, since my primary interest in it is as part of the long tradition of "what are the rights of the governed" and the passing view of the divinely appointed ruler. In particular, I'm a fan of the latitudinarian and semi-Pelagian theology that emerged from the 18th c. a theology that is inherently English (and American now) and which seems to have always already been there, except in times of foment. Sabrina Martins Geogre/Geogre 04:29, 8 Nov 2004
:Thanks for your comments- I'm glad you put the A Game at Chess article up; I wouldn't have got involved otherwise! Your new para on Hooker looks good. I want to put paragraphs on both articles about their use today, but I couldn't find out anything about modern staging of A Game at Chess. Rowan Williams has written what looks like an interesting article on Hooker, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet! Nextel ringtones Grutter/G Rutter 16:37, 8 Nov 2004
T.S. Eliot uses ''A Game at Chess'' in ''The Waste Land,'' but he used pretty much all Jacobean drama somewhere in there. I'm not sure if he used a quote as an epigram as well, but I don't think so. At any rate, I don't think that particular play does get staged very often. As with other topical plays, and in particular as with Middleton, I think it has faded somewhat.
As for Hooker.... He's the man. He, and in a different way Laud, set up Anglicanism, so he is revered, but not so many people still read him. I remember being pretty unique for actually reading 3 of the books of ''Of the Laws.'' However, he is the cornerstone of the Abbey Diaz Thirty-nine articles, so he is invisibly behind all of modern Anglican practice. I studied him in the context of ideas of power and the private in the public in the turn of the Jacobean era. The seminar was looking at Sidney, Spenser, Shakespeare, and Hooker, with side readings from Machievelli's ''Discourses''. We were out to examine the claims made by New Historicism about what "could be known." (Short version: they were wrong. A lot more was known than Greenblatt thinks could have been known.) At any rate, Hooker was ''assigned'' the job of writing the ''Laws,'' and so he was handed the hardest job in the kingdom: prove that we're right not to be Catholic and that we ought not listen to the further reformers. I.e. prove that there is authority, but that it isn't the Pope. Again, prove that Jesus established the bishops but that the present Bishop of Rome doesn't have power over us. Rhetorically, I think it's the finest work of that stretch of 500 years. The tightrope he has to walk is scary as can be, and yet he never falls off. At the same time, he ends up having to give some ground that Locke will soon occupy. Amazing work.
It should be interesting to see what Williams has to say about Hooker. I don't have a lot of confidence in him, but it will be interesting to see if he can tightrope his reaction to Hooker half as well as Hooker did his to Calvin. Cingular Ringtones Geogre/Geogre 17:49, 8 Nov 2004
Archaeology wikiproject
Hi GRutter, thanks for volunteering your skills to the Archaeology wikiproject. As you've probably noticed it's rather basic at the moment so any suggestions you want to add would be most welcome. Cheers million other Adamsan/adamsan 14:00, 12 Dec 2004
EU Turkey flag
Ehm, actually I made it myself. I thought it might be interesting to design the European emblem with red color, a crescent, and the initials "EÜ" in Turkish (which mean EU of course). I thought it blended very well to the third section of the article, which was dealing with the debate on the matter. Will you consider changing it back to the previous? pay parity Kensai/Kensai 15:40, 17 Dec 2004
(sorry for responding both here and my discussion, I don't know how it works, where should I have responded? I'm still newbie here)
:Thanks! I also tend to respond on both talk pages, as it's quicker and people can keep track of what's going on. I'm afraid that this probably comes under mosaics of No original research. The reason I found out that this image existed was becuase it was on the Main Page, presumably because someone thought it was an official emblem. I can understand what you mean on the page, but again, people might well think that it's the official or proposed flag. I'm afraid that we're really meant to report what's already out there, rather than create something that illustrates our point (no matter how well it does it). Therefore, I think that the image really should be deleted. I'm sorry about this, as it must have taken you a while, but it's just one of those things I'm afraid... simultaneously he Grutter/G Rutter 16:04, 17 Dec 2004
Understood! Since this is a real article about real events/issues I agree. I never thought of the implications that my action might have had, especially the 'proposed flag' misunderstanding which could have been serious. Perhaps in a future trivial article debating about flag and vexillology matters this image finds its way. Thanks for clearing this up! handwritten bibles Kensai/Kensai 17:08, 17 Dec 2004
Logarithmic timeline of current events
Evidence that the idea is used elsewhere can be found in http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/4-2/text/interviewvonf.html. On the page, search for "logarithmic time scale" and scroll down. owned paper Viriditas/Viriditas / the strident User_talk:Viriditas/Talk 12:24, 3 Jan 2005
:Thanks for the reference - it was interesting. However, I'm afraid that I'm not going to change my vote. It still seems like original research, given the slightly strange selection of events; I'm not convinced that it belongs in an encyclopedia; on the page there's still no discussion about the concept and I still can't see why you'd want to do it for "recent" events- it really doesn't add anything. I don't suppose it'll actually get deleted though! I can see the point of the cedars you Logarithmic timeline page (and the concept), but that page needs serious cleanup, including NPOVing (Progress and Regression?!) and a discussion of the actual idea, etc. Thanks again for the reference. famous tibetophiles Grutter/G Rutter 16:33, 3 Jan 2005
Spam
Heya, thanks for helping clean up the spam. Be careful with tagging things as speedy deletes though, sometimes vandals overwrite pages with nonsense or spam, in which case the page shouldn't be speedied (like with in chartres Jaw). With the current server state the urge not to check the history for every page is definitely understandable, but please try to resist. two counts fvw/fvwanother dynamic User talk:Fvw/* 16:17, 2005 Jan 12
:Thanks very much! Nextel ringtones Grutter/GRutter 11:39, 26 Aug 2004
Republic of Choson
While it was a close vote there was no clear consensus to delete or to redirect. Note that I generally count a vote to merge and redirect as votes to keep as both desire the itself content to be kept. Personally I am not a great fan of that page, and if you were to relist it after it has spent a while on Cleanup I would happily delete it, if that was the consensus that emerged. - Abbey Diaz SimonP/SimonP 15:09, Sep 11, 2004
:Fair enough. Thank you for your speedy reply. Free ringtones Grutter/G Rutter 15:12, 11 Sep 2004
I done bad with Chess, better with Hooker
Thanks for the good work on the Majo Mills A Game at Chess article that I put up too hastily. I had sought more and better information but had not found it in time. I'm glad that others fixed it up some. Just a note, though, that I've put in a longish paragraph in the Mosquito ringtone Richard Hooker article on ''Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Politie,'' which is one of my favorite works. (Not that many folks have read it, unfortunately.) I look at it a bit differently from others, since my primary interest in it is as part of the long tradition of "what are the rights of the governed" and the passing view of the divinely appointed ruler. In particular, I'm a fan of the latitudinarian and semi-Pelagian theology that emerged from the 18th c. a theology that is inherently English (and American now) and which seems to have always already been there, except in times of foment. Sabrina Martins Geogre/Geogre 04:29, 8 Nov 2004
:Thanks for your comments- I'm glad you put the A Game at Chess article up; I wouldn't have got involved otherwise! Your new para on Hooker looks good. I want to put paragraphs on both articles about their use today, but I couldn't find out anything about modern staging of A Game at Chess. Rowan Williams has written what looks like an interesting article on Hooker, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet! Nextel ringtones Grutter/G Rutter 16:37, 8 Nov 2004
T.S. Eliot uses ''A Game at Chess'' in ''The Waste Land,'' but he used pretty much all Jacobean drama somewhere in there. I'm not sure if he used a quote as an epigram as well, but I don't think so. At any rate, I don't think that particular play does get staged very often. As with other topical plays, and in particular as with Middleton, I think it has faded somewhat.
As for Hooker.... He's the man. He, and in a different way Laud, set up Anglicanism, so he is revered, but not so many people still read him. I remember being pretty unique for actually reading 3 of the books of ''Of the Laws.'' However, he is the cornerstone of the Abbey Diaz Thirty-nine articles, so he is invisibly behind all of modern Anglican practice. I studied him in the context of ideas of power and the private in the public in the turn of the Jacobean era. The seminar was looking at Sidney, Spenser, Shakespeare, and Hooker, with side readings from Machievelli's ''Discourses''. We were out to examine the claims made by New Historicism about what "could be known." (Short version: they were wrong. A lot more was known than Greenblatt thinks could have been known.) At any rate, Hooker was ''assigned'' the job of writing the ''Laws,'' and so he was handed the hardest job in the kingdom: prove that we're right not to be Catholic and that we ought not listen to the further reformers. I.e. prove that there is authority, but that it isn't the Pope. Again, prove that Jesus established the bishops but that the present Bishop of Rome doesn't have power over us. Rhetorically, I think it's the finest work of that stretch of 500 years. The tightrope he has to walk is scary as can be, and yet he never falls off. At the same time, he ends up having to give some ground that Locke will soon occupy. Amazing work.
It should be interesting to see what Williams has to say about Hooker. I don't have a lot of confidence in him, but it will be interesting to see if he can tightrope his reaction to Hooker half as well as Hooker did his to Calvin. Cingular Ringtones Geogre/Geogre 17:49, 8 Nov 2004
Archaeology wikiproject
Hi GRutter, thanks for volunteering your skills to the Archaeology wikiproject. As you've probably noticed it's rather basic at the moment so any suggestions you want to add would be most welcome. Cheers million other Adamsan/adamsan 14:00, 12 Dec 2004
EU Turkey flag
Ehm, actually I made it myself. I thought it might be interesting to design the European emblem with red color, a crescent, and the initials "EÜ" in Turkish (which mean EU of course). I thought it blended very well to the third section of the article, which was dealing with the debate on the matter. Will you consider changing it back to the previous? pay parity Kensai/Kensai 15:40, 17 Dec 2004
(sorry for responding both here and my discussion, I don't know how it works, where should I have responded? I'm still newbie here)
:Thanks! I also tend to respond on both talk pages, as it's quicker and people can keep track of what's going on. I'm afraid that this probably comes under mosaics of No original research. The reason I found out that this image existed was becuase it was on the Main Page, presumably because someone thought it was an official emblem. I can understand what you mean on the page, but again, people might well think that it's the official or proposed flag. I'm afraid that we're really meant to report what's already out there, rather than create something that illustrates our point (no matter how well it does it). Therefore, I think that the image really should be deleted. I'm sorry about this, as it must have taken you a while, but it's just one of those things I'm afraid... simultaneously he Grutter/G Rutter 16:04, 17 Dec 2004
Understood! Since this is a real article about real events/issues I agree. I never thought of the implications that my action might have had, especially the 'proposed flag' misunderstanding which could have been serious. Perhaps in a future trivial article debating about flag and vexillology matters this image finds its way. Thanks for clearing this up! handwritten bibles Kensai/Kensai 17:08, 17 Dec 2004
Logarithmic timeline of current events
Evidence that the idea is used elsewhere can be found in http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/4-2/text/interviewvonf.html. On the page, search for "logarithmic time scale" and scroll down. owned paper Viriditas/Viriditas / the strident User_talk:Viriditas/Talk 12:24, 3 Jan 2005
:Thanks for the reference - it was interesting. However, I'm afraid that I'm not going to change my vote. It still seems like original research, given the slightly strange selection of events; I'm not convinced that it belongs in an encyclopedia; on the page there's still no discussion about the concept and I still can't see why you'd want to do it for "recent" events- it really doesn't add anything. I don't suppose it'll actually get deleted though! I can see the point of the cedars you Logarithmic timeline page (and the concept), but that page needs serious cleanup, including NPOVing (Progress and Regression?!) and a discussion of the actual idea, etc. Thanks again for the reference. famous tibetophiles Grutter/G Rutter 16:33, 3 Jan 2005
Spam
Heya, thanks for helping clean up the spam. Be careful with tagging things as speedy deletes though, sometimes vandals overwrite pages with nonsense or spam, in which case the page shouldn't be speedied (like with in chartres Jaw). With the current server state the urge not to check the history for every page is definitely understandable, but please try to resist. two counts fvw/fvwanother dynamic User talk:Fvw/* 16:17, 2005 Jan 12
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